I've got to disagree with you there, Bunny. It sounded exactly like an apology.

Guardedly or not, you went and clarified your position, when it was already perfectly clear to anyone who actually read your previous posts. Shame on you for backing down ;)

Bunny Edit: I'm just tired of the cruscade in my inbox, homes. Christians are sick people.

Mine too. :)
The radical right scares me, it really does. People like Ann Coulter.. it's almost comical, in an almost orwellian way.
But.. while the whole 'ker-azy christian' thing is an american problem, close-minded adherence to any set of doctrines is dangerous, in general.

I love the original post. If you have gotten so many comments that you had to post two more times to clarify then it was well worth it.

My solution to the whole problem is to convert back to Greek Mythology, I mean cool shit happened back then. Goat sacrifices and God's whose only responsibilities were love (sex) and war. Thats a sweet religion. And instead of asking forgiveness I can kill a goat or something.

That was possibly one of your best entries to date. Nicely done, and don't let the bastards grind you down.

Ned, at which point in there did she say "sorry" or "apology" unless it was preceded by "I'm not saying/making an"?

Oh, goodie, there's the bunny I love! I was worried, what with you slinging the word "hate" around so much - so unlike you.

That said I completely got it, and anyone who didn't either (a) isn't familiar enough with this blog & your sweet little self to understand the point you were making or (b) is a freaking moron whose religious myopia has rendered them incapable of seeing merit in ideas other than their own.

bunny,

I was eating at small restaurant my friend waitress' at and we were sitting at a table in the back talking with one of her regulars. We were thoroughly amused by his anecdotes about old war stories, lost loves, "almost making" it band dramas, (we was 76) until he brought up religion. "Each kind should keep with it's own" Quoting the Bible verbatim was his only logic for being racist. I tried to explain to his that the Bible was not only written by man but had been translated and transcribed 1000's of times. His reply was the Bible only changed once, to King James version and that it was the word of God. I tried to explain that yes, it was indeed to word of God, but translated and tweaked by man. After 30min of yelling across a table i was asked to leave. Damn "christians"!

I understand Bunny's point. Debating with most Christians is like wrestling with a pig... you both get muddy and only the pig enjoys it. (Watch how many of them don't understand my analogy and accuse me of calling them pigs) You cannot win, because most religious fanatics, forgo reason in favour of what they call "faith". To me it is mostly blind ignorance.

I'd like to say that I am Christian and I applaud Bunny for sticking it out there and calling out a lot of people (myself probably included at least in part of some of that.) I think the term Christian gets applied to way too many people who don't deserve the name, but then again I'm the type that goes to church when I need to feel that God's a little closer, and tries her damnest to stick the the basics of what good ole JC taught, not whatever fucked up doctrine that the church made a couple hundred years ago and still adheres to, and doesn't believe in confessing your sins to a man who molests little boys and lives a world that probably not close to the reality of the secular people.

Either way, I loved this post and your blog. And I'll keep reading and recommending other people read it too.

Sometimes when i'm bored I set the radio to whatevers on, i'll listen to sermons because they actualy hold some entertainment value, granted they give me a headache as i decipher their circle logic and try to reformat it into somthing sensible. On to what I was going to say;

The other day I was listening t a preacher on the radio. He began to tell a story to highlight why it was impossible to deal with non believers because they argue by a logic that is not rooted in the bible which is sensible and good.

"A man walks into a sunday school class with a Gun and he tells all the students I'm going to kill all of you tell me why I shouldn't. The first child quotes one of the ten commandments, thou shalt not kill, the man says but I like killing it makes me happy. Another child steps up with some quote out of the bible about causing pain or some such nonsense, and the killer says but I want to inflict as much pain as possible. A third child steps up and says, if you kill it'll just be a huge mess someone will have to clean it all up. The killer then says "You know what your right, I hate messes" and he leaves.

This is a story they used to describe why reasoning with non christians is impossible, and why they need to essentialy be active in policy making etc.

It gave me an idea for a story.

A man walks into your classroom. He points his gun at your best friend and says I have to kill this woman. You try to convince him not to.

YOU: "Please don't kill her you would cause great suffering to many people, she is well loved, intelligent and a great contributor, her parents and her friends would all be hurt"

HIM: "It is the will of god that she should die."

YOU: "Please besides being against the law set by society at large in basicly every civilised society known to man, it is immoral, If everyone killed whoever they wanted we would sink into anarchy, humanity as a whole, would survive sure but we would not be able to lift ourselves with organization, science and logic, our existance would regress to a point and then remain forever stagnant."

HIM "It is the will of God, and God does not falter"

YOU "PLEASE, If you kill her you will create a ripple of ill will against your own kind, god may not make mistakes, but maybe your confused and god wanted you to kill someone else and he will be furious with you for fucking it up. You'll go to hell and your mission will fail and the person you were supposed to kill will not be killed.

HIM "God doesn't make mistakes and god works through me."
Bang, Your friend is dead.

See christians are impossible to deal with.

I know I didn't keep with the format of the original story, where you win the person over with an irrational argument showing the heinousness of their logic. Christians zealots believe what they do is the will of God. You can't even win if you play their own game.

"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear"
~Thomas Jefferson, founding father

ya rite

u r an intolurunt homosexshul

Fundamentalism is a destructive force whether your preferred descendant of Abraham is Moses, Christ, or Mohammed. I am most fearful of Christian fundamentalists due to their sheer numbers and the fact that they're ALREADY HERE! Hard line Jews are power brokers in the states but they are few in numbers and their give is by and large equal to their take. Islamic fundamentalists are gaining a toehold in this country, but most of them are thousands of miles away. The Christians though are fat, pink, and all over the fucking place. Adam's rib, Noah's ark, and Job's patience are flouting science in this country because of a bunch of ignorant jungle primitives quaking at the electrical storm. Pick up a book you bible-beating twatwaffles! I recommend The Ancestor's Tale by Richard Dawkins, and of course, The Origin of Species.

i really enjoyed your honest opinion. Thank you for sharing them. :)

I think christians are all maggot infested wild animals. Christianity = Mentally retarded pigs